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Why Bother With Theology?

5/09/2008 00:03:22

John Allen PaulosAt the Richard Dawkins lecture the other day, I saw a familiar-looking man with a head of wild professor-hair: the mathematician from Temple University, John Allen Paulos. After the talk I went up to introduce myself and was grateful to find him very pleasant and willing a chat for a minute or two. I said I hadn't yet read his new book Irreligion: A Mathematician Explains Why the Arguments for God Just Don't Add Up. I had been planning on it because I'm working on a project on the same subject, arguments for the existence of God. Regardless we gabbed a little bit about the New Atheist scene, and in particular, the common criticism that the atheists don't know enough about theology to possibly criticize it (most notably, Terry Eagleton's review of Dawkins in the LRB).

Now that I've read Paulos's little, charming book (in the space of a bus ride from New York to Washington), maybe I can take up our conversation again here.

"Much of theology, it seems to me," writes Paulos "is a kind of verbal magic show" (47). He tosses aside the claim that in order to attack religion he needs to know everything about it:

Pointing to some bit of biblical history or esoteric theology of which I'm not aware does not provide any reason for me to believe the claims of the Bible. Similarly, my inability to cast horoscopes or draw up sun charts does not provide any reason for me to believe in the claims of astrology. (63)

To a certain intuition, on the one hand, this claim seems quite right. We don't need to have memorized the Illiad to know that we don't believe in Zeus. The idea simply isn't plausible enough to be entertained, and you can figure that our easily enough without dirtying hands with theology. On the other, though, two answers to Paulos's confidence come to mind:
  1. The scientist says: We would hope that before folks rejected, for instance, a theory like evolution as counter-intuitive, they would at least study the evidence for it. If they studied the evidence closely enough, they would more than likely be convinced.

  2. The theologian says: Religion (well, the religions of the Book - Christianity, Islam, Judaism) comes as a response to hearing&mdashthe gospel, the Logos, the revelation. Without fully apprehending that knowledge, that Word, the question of faith hasn't even arisen.


Both of these leads to a kind of dialectic that I have explored before: the claim that if you don't believe what I believe, you simply don't understand it well enough. Paulos himself takes refuge in answer 1, especially in the use of Darwinian evolution against to arguments from design. The alternative to believing God made us, he suggests, is to learn about evolution and thus start to believe it made us. But the theologian in answer 2 is saying pretty much the same thing right back at him.

Though this dialectical trick might ring mischievously true for a moment, it quickly runs into trouble. In the article linked above I noted its resemblance to Anselm's ontological argument—(sort of) like Anselm's God, if you think of the concept in question rightly, it automatically comes true. As such, it is subject to the objection of Gaunilo, Anselm's eleventh century contemporary: you could make the same claim of all kinds of concepts, including ones we can all agree have no basis in reality. A reductio ad absurdum.

Then there is the (somewhat metaphorical) view from Gödel's incompleteness theorem, which nudges us to be suspicious of any claim for a system to fully justify itself (ironic, then, that Kurt Gödel attempted an ontological proof of his own—Paulos notes this several times in his book). This nudge can quickly be taken up by common sense. People live in multi-conceptual worlds. Nothing we take up, whether it be religion or science or juggling, occurs free of reference and contact and context with the others. Jugglers need to know a lot about juggling and can get away without doing calculus. But that doesn't mean a physicist who can't juggle couldn't show him a thing or two about parabolic motion and gravity.

Maybe, in exchange, the juggler might help the physicist with her juggling.

Let me bring this back to the point. I don't think the New Atheists are so profoundly wrong to attack theology without being thoroughly expert about it. But this is less because theology is complete trash than because theology is one outgrowth of a tremendously complex network of beliefs, habits, and social structures. With so many variables to keep track of at once, even the most uninitiated nonbelievers can see stark truths that may not occur as easily to the initiated. There is always something to learn from the view outside, because being outside makes certain connections easier to see.

It is too easy, especially for folks who feel smart, to fool ourselves into imagining our logical arguments as closed and self-sufficient things. I have proved it, so thus it must be! But human worlds are messier. What the enlightened, non-believing "bright" sees as idiotic in the theologian is perfectly equivalent to what the theologian may find idiotic in the bright. And no wonder, really.

And so, as in anything, we must be held responsible for what we choose not to learn about. There may be something quite interesting lurking back there that we're not seeing. Doesn't mean it's true, but not being true doesn't mean it isn't interesting.




re: Why Bother With Theology? - 5/09/2008 19:56:20
Posted by Yuri Vishnevsly

Hi Nathan,

I came across your post while searching for a video of the 3quarks lecture. I attended it myself (you may have seen me, I was the kid not in a suit).

I'm commenting for two reasons. First, I'd like to thank you for your post – ever since I saw Joan Allen Paulos, I've been trying to figure out who he was. He looked vaguely familiar, and I decided that he must be a physicist of some sort, judging by his hair. I'm happy to finally have an answer! :)

Secondly, I am looking at http://www.therowboat.com/papers/DialecticalProof.pdf and I think I've spotted a typo.

"Conclusion 1. In terms of that dialectic (between one and the believer, in which the
believer largely, thought not entirely, might dictate the terms), "

I think the "thought" should be a "though", no?




re: Why Bother With Theology? - 5/09/2008 20:04:29
Posted by Yuri Vishnevsky

Actually, I should say young adult. I was the young adult not wearing a suit. I think most everyone else had one.




re: Why Bother With Theology? - 5/09/2008 23:19:07
Posted by Nathan

Thank you for your comment! I'll fix the typo right now. They are the big problem of my life - my eyes are totally blind to them.




re: Why Bother With Theology? - 5/13/2008 12:51:44
Posted by Robert Gagnon

I found my way here with a few stops on the way starting with David Brooks' column about Neural Buddhism on this morning's NY Times.

The views I read here connected with those of Einstein on the same subject commented on in a piece in today's Guardian.

Thx for this!




re: Why Bother With Theology? - 5/13/2008 13:43:03
Posted by nathan

Thanks for the tip, Robert! (The Guardian article he mentioned is here).

I see this just after reading the recent Anthony Flew book, There Is a God, which spends a lot of time relying on utterances by scientists, Einstein among them, to back up the idea of a creator-mind-like God. Einstein's remark that "the word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses" does little to support Flew's wishful reading of him.

Still, in light of the above article, I think it is a mistake to, as Einstein does, make such a dismissive statement about the history of religious thought and language. Though it has some truth in it to be sure, it can be, in the final analysis, little more than "the expression and product of human" hubris.




There is a God, Flew & Varghese - 5/13/2008 17:19:57
Posted by Robert Gagnon

This book was "co-authored" by Roy Abraham Varghese, who is according to experts a bit of an intellectual fraud and coercive amenuensis to Flew, who when the book was written was in his dotage if not slightly demented, or so the story was as I recall.




re: Why Bother With Theology? - 5/14/2008 08:24:50
Posted by nathan

Yeah, I had heard that. The only thing is that Varghese's sections are by far the least readable parts of the book - totally vitriolic and unpersuasive. Flew's, while not much better, are still better, suggesting that there is something behind them.

Right off the bat, Flew deals with the contention that he did this just because of "old age." He insists that his position on immortality hasn't changed, so why would his newfound theism be any more comforting as he approaches death?

To me, the pervading presence of his theologian father and C.S. Lewis in his youth are the telltale bits. Discovering god is a deeply emotional event. It is a homecoming. He consistently refers to Christianity as his "father's faith." How blind that he also continually insists that it is a turn of wholly cold, scientific rationality.

Nobody, theist or not, is as reasonable as he imagines himself to be.




re: Why Bother With Theology? - 5/18/2008 12:15:18
Posted by nathan

Okay, I'm wrong about two things. First, Flew's first name is Antony, not Anthony. Second, he definitely did not write this book.

Mark Oppenheimer's excellent piece on Flew in The New York TImes makes this clear:


As he [Flew] himself conceded, he had not written his book.

“This is really Roy [Varghese]’s doing,” he said, before I had even figured out a polite way to ask. “He showed it to me, and I said O.K. I’m too old for this kind of work!”

When I asked Varghese, he freely admitted that the book was his idea and that he had done all the original writing for it. But he made the book sound like more of a joint effort — slightly more, anyway. “There was stuff he had written before, and some of that was adapted to this,” Varghese said. “There is stuff he’d written to me in correspondence, and I organized a lot of it. And I had interviews with him. So those three elements went into it. Oh, and I exposed him to certain authors and got his views on them. We pulled it together. And then to make it more reader-friendly, HarperCollins had a more popular author go through it.”




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