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		<title>Comment on God in Proof: The Story of a Search from the Ancients to the Internet by The Official Guide to God in Proof &#124; The Row Boat by Nathan Schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Official Guide to God in Proof &#124; The Row Boat by Nathan Schneider</dc:creator>
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		<dc:creator>God in Proof: An Evening of Song and Abstraction &#124; The Row Boat by Nathan Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2013 21:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on God in Proof: The Story of a Search from the Ancients to the Internet by What I Learned about Empire in the West Bank &#124; The Row Boat by Nathan Schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>What I Learned about Empire in the West Bank &#124; The Row Boat by Nathan Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 22:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] a story about being a religious tourist in the process of finishing a book—technically true—about proofs for the existence of God. I rehearsed the fictitious details over and over in my head. With every word I wrote in my [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on On Strike Against Myself by Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 12:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just spotted the author!]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on On Strike Against Myself by Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 14:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Surely not, though this boy&#039;s attempt to prove God&#039;s existence certainly was.]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on On Strike Against Myself by Theo Warner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theo Warner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 09:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suppose God was on strike that day, too....]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Paint the Other Cheek by Keith Nakatani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Nakatani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2012 17:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nathan,

Glad to see you addressed nonviolence versus “diversity of tactics” in Occupy (“Paint the other cheek”), however, I believe that the article misses the mark. Its perspectives are the same ones I heard in Occupy Oakland (OO) and point to Occupy’s biggest problem: not adequately engaging participants in in-depth discussions about why adopting nonviolence is critical.  

Occupy can only become a transformative force is if it grows exponentially. More than other factors, failure to adopt nonviolence and working to minimize destructive behavior will undermine Occupy’s ability to adequately increase numbers of participants and supporters. Yet, in (Oakland) General Assemblies and online pieces, the link between nonviolence and movement building is under-addressed. 

Chris Hedges’ “The cancer in Occupy” is an exception. His main message is correct: violent activity by protesters “is a gift from heaven to the security and surveillance state.” Unfortunately, he used heated and polarizing language.
 
OO is a great example of both the powerful garnering of widespread support when the authorities inevitably use excessive force and the repercussions of the short-sighted failure to champion nonviolence. OO had little visibility beyond the Bay Area before October 25, 2011, but the heavy-handed camp eviction by police that day, the tragic shooting of Scott Olsen, and the widespread condemnation of the authorities catapulted it into the international limelight. 

Just a week later on November 2nd, OO audaciously organized a general strike, march, and Port of Oakland shutdown. The shutdown was perhaps the largest Occupy action thus far. The official figure of 7,000 protesters was laughable, there were at least 20,000 to 30,000, perhaps more. People streamed into the Port area for over two hours. It was a great action: huge, diverse, peaceful, and festive.  

Yet sadly, only hours after the shutdown, OO began unraveling when a handful of people took over a vacant downtown building for a couple of hours and battled the police by setting fires and throwing rocks and bottles. In just a few hours, a few people turned a victory into a black-eye, demoralized and angered the majority who had participated in the shutdown, and alienated would be supporters. OO has regressed ever since.  

Short-sighted strategic blunders continued with the attempted takeover of a vacant downtown lot on November 19th, the brief takeover and eviction from a West Oakland residential lot in late December, and the attempted takeover of the Henry Kaiser Convention Center on January 28th. It was clear these would be hurtful actions because there was no chance of occupation and would result in counterproductive confrontations with the police (as opposed to UC Davis and Berkeley students being pepper-sprayed and brutalized without striking back, which resulted in tremendous public sympathy and anger directed at authorities). OO also conducted small, weekly “fuck the police” marches for awhile, whose purpose seemed to be venting anger. All this caused many OO participants to disengage and turned increasing numbers of the general public against it. 

It also demonstrated how sidetracked and unrealistic the supporters of those actions are: turning the tactic of occupation into a goal, wasting much time and energy on planning the actions (including dragging furniture to the sites), and keeping the location of the Jan 28th action “secret” so that the authorities “wouldn’t know”. Of course the police knew, they surrounded the convention center before the marchers showed up.       

I’m not familiar with GA’s at other Occupy’s, but if they’re like Oakland’s, then a problem is the inability to have in-depth discussion on key issues. Proposals are presented, clarifying questions are asked and answered, brief statements of pros and cons are made, and votes are cast. In Oakland, when GAs were at their strongest, the result was votes that were more easily influenced by the constant shouts of the regular and angry contingent opposed to nonviolence, votes being made without hearing in-depth debates, and bad decisions that have significantly decreased participation and support. 

You say diversity of tactics supporters believe “the whole opposition between violence and nonviolence seems contrived to divide the movement.” The divide isn’t contrived and isn’t mostly driven by the state. No doubt there are provocateurs, but the divisions are mostly genuinely internal. The Oakland evidence is significant majorities have supported the adoption of nonviolence, but the 90 percent approval criteria (which is too high) wasn’t achieved and most of those folks no longer participate. GA attendance was regularly close to one thousand in November. More recently, it’s been a struggle to get a quorum of one hundred. 

Thus far, Occupy has had an amazing short-term impact, but the struggle is a marathon. Occupy sprinted out of the gates catching everyone off-guard, but it must strategically prepare for the long-run. The most important strategic element is adopting nonviolence, diligently working to minimize destructive behavior, and strongly disavowing when it happens. If that doesn’t happen, the movement won’t secure the huge amount of support needed to be transformative, and the financial system and environment will continue to rush headlong towards collapse. 

Keith Nakatani
Oakland, CA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan,</p>
<p>Glad to see you addressed nonviolence versus “diversity of tactics” in Occupy (“Paint the other cheek”), however, I believe that the article misses the mark. Its perspectives are the same ones I heard in Occupy Oakland (OO) and point to Occupy’s biggest problem: not adequately engaging participants in in-depth discussions about why adopting nonviolence is critical.  </p>
<p>Occupy can only become a transformative force is if it grows exponentially. More than other factors, failure to adopt nonviolence and working to minimize destructive behavior will undermine Occupy’s ability to adequately increase numbers of participants and supporters. Yet, in (Oakland) General Assemblies and online pieces, the link between nonviolence and movement building is under-addressed. </p>
<p>Chris Hedges’ “The cancer in Occupy” is an exception. His main message is correct: violent activity by protesters “is a gift from heaven to the security and surveillance state.” Unfortunately, he used heated and polarizing language.</p>
<p>OO is a great example of both the powerful garnering of widespread support when the authorities inevitably use excessive force and the repercussions of the short-sighted failure to champion nonviolence. OO had little visibility beyond the Bay Area before October 25, 2011, but the heavy-handed camp eviction by police that day, the tragic shooting of Scott Olsen, and the widespread condemnation of the authorities catapulted it into the international limelight. </p>
<p>Just a week later on November 2nd, OO audaciously organized a general strike, march, and Port of Oakland shutdown. The shutdown was perhaps the largest Occupy action thus far. The official figure of 7,000 protesters was laughable, there were at least 20,000 to 30,000, perhaps more. People streamed into the Port area for over two hours. It was a great action: huge, diverse, peaceful, and festive.  </p>
<p>Yet sadly, only hours after the shutdown, OO began unraveling when a handful of people took over a vacant downtown building for a couple of hours and battled the police by setting fires and throwing rocks and bottles. In just a few hours, a few people turned a victory into a black-eye, demoralized and angered the majority who had participated in the shutdown, and alienated would be supporters. OO has regressed ever since.  </p>
<p>Short-sighted strategic blunders continued with the attempted takeover of a vacant downtown lot on November 19th, the brief takeover and eviction from a West Oakland residential lot in late December, and the attempted takeover of the Henry Kaiser Convention Center on January 28th. It was clear these would be hurtful actions because there was no chance of occupation and would result in counterproductive confrontations with the police (as opposed to UC Davis and Berkeley students being pepper-sprayed and brutalized without striking back, which resulted in tremendous public sympathy and anger directed at authorities). OO also conducted small, weekly “fuck the police” marches for awhile, whose purpose seemed to be venting anger. All this caused many OO participants to disengage and turned increasing numbers of the general public against it. </p>
<p>It also demonstrated how sidetracked and unrealistic the supporters of those actions are: turning the tactic of occupation into a goal, wasting much time and energy on planning the actions (including dragging furniture to the sites), and keeping the location of the Jan 28th action “secret” so that the authorities “wouldn’t know”. Of course the police knew, they surrounded the convention center before the marchers showed up.       </p>
<p>I’m not familiar with GA’s at other Occupy’s, but if they’re like Oakland’s, then a problem is the inability to have in-depth discussion on key issues. Proposals are presented, clarifying questions are asked and answered, brief statements of pros and cons are made, and votes are cast. In Oakland, when GAs were at their strongest, the result was votes that were more easily influenced by the constant shouts of the regular and angry contingent opposed to nonviolence, votes being made without hearing in-depth debates, and bad decisions that have significantly decreased participation and support. </p>
<p>You say diversity of tactics supporters believe “the whole opposition between violence and nonviolence seems contrived to divide the movement.” The divide isn’t contrived and isn’t mostly driven by the state. No doubt there are provocateurs, but the divisions are mostly genuinely internal. The Oakland evidence is significant majorities have supported the adoption of nonviolence, but the 90 percent approval criteria (which is too high) wasn’t achieved and most of those folks no longer participate. GA attendance was regularly close to one thousand in November. More recently, it’s been a struggle to get a quorum of one hundred. </p>
<p>Thus far, Occupy has had an amazing short-term impact, but the struggle is a marathon. Occupy sprinted out of the gates catching everyone off-guard, but it must strategically prepare for the long-run. The most important strategic element is adopting nonviolence, diligently working to minimize destructive behavior, and strongly disavowing when it happens. If that doesn’t happen, the movement won’t secure the huge amount of support needed to be transformative, and the financial system and environment will continue to rush headlong towards collapse. </p>
<p>Keith Nakatani<br />
Oakland, CA</p>
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		<title>Comment on Some Great Cause, God&#8217;s New Messiah by Fernando Real,United Nations,UN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fernando Real,United Nations,UN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Someday you forget me…..my name ♥ my voice ♥ and who I am to you but ever if you forget me… I just want you to know that I never an ever forget how much you mean to me!!
 
Not is democrazy, politic system, economy,war,religion,culture,countries or tradicions,natural resources,commodities,enviroment, climate change.
WOMEN ARE THE KEY for human, planet, awareness of oneself and feel integrated in the universe. 
 
BASIC PRINCIPLES AND GENERAL THEORY OF HUMANS, LIFE AND UNIVERSE EXISTENCE 
 
 
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Facebook site.- fernandoj.RealVazquez
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someday you forget me…..my name ♥ my voice ♥ and who I am to you but ever if you forget me… I just want you to know that I never an ever forget how much you mean to me!!<br />
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Not is democrazy, politic system, economy,war,religion,culture,countries or tradicions,natural resources,commodities,enviroment, climate change.<br />
WOMEN ARE THE KEY for human, planet, awareness of oneself and feel integrated in the universe. <br />
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BASIC PRINCIPLES AND GENERAL THEORY OF HUMANS, LIFE AND UNIVERSE EXISTENCE <br />
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CONTAC:<br />
Fernando Real<br />
<a href="mailto:fernanreal@hotmail.com">fernanreal@hotmail.com</a><br />
Facebook site.- fernandoj.RealVazquez<br />
<a href="http://www.talankero.es/unesco" rel="nofollow">http://www.talankero.es/unesco</a><br />
kolona.com<br />
+00 34 982 21 81 78<br />
+0034 616 57 26 14<br />
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READ THIS BLOGS:<br />
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changeworldwide.blogspot.com<br />
cambiarmundoentero.blogspot.com<br />
fernanreal.blogspot.com<br />
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WATH THIS VIDEO:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gutbhsMXonM&#038;feature=youtube_gdata_player" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gutbhsMXonM&#038;feature=youtube_gdata_player</a><br />
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		<title>Comment on Do You Believe in Mother God? by Arizona Here</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arizona Here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 06:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am 52 and today is the first I ever heard of these people or movement as I think you refered to them. Any how please let me tell you I was in stitches reading your recolections of events, I mean I am still laughing ( Mother Lovers Alien Seed ). This has to be a script to the detail of the silent partner. Begining to end, that is what happened to me but it only took me a couple hours to start googling for answers. I am not happy with them however as it turns out the female talking to me lied to me because I asked her from the begining what denomination the faith is and she said Christian nondenominational. I also asked what Bible she would be refering to? The NIV, I&#039;m OK with that. My assailant was serious but pleasant and I senced she had to be deemed correct. I assured her that transliteration could lead to confusion and that the Jewish people are absolutly monothesistic and she assured they were wrong about their own writings. She spoke about Jesus second coming, the first as a child and his second I think she refered to in the book of Revelations. I said well that would be the third, What do you mean? I said he came as a child died a man right? yes she replied. Rose from the grave on the third day, oh well that doesnt count. To me it does he lived he died thats one he rose from the dead, spoke to some and ascended to heaven thats two and will come again to me thats three and you want to tell me the hebrews dont know their own language. In closing I thank you for creating this forum firstly your contribution but also reading the comments from others, acceptable to me or not. I have grown closer to Jesus. One can ( who wants to argue the definition of one here? )  but I must conclude from the mirror image of the wittnessing  all have described here that something deep lurkes and its not Holy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am 52 and today is the first I ever heard of these people or movement as I think you refered to them. Any how please let me tell you I was in stitches reading your recolections of events, I mean I am still laughing ( Mother Lovers Alien Seed ). This has to be a script to the detail of the silent partner. Begining to end, that is what happened to me but it only took me a couple hours to start googling for answers. I am not happy with them however as it turns out the female talking to me lied to me because I asked her from the begining what denomination the faith is and she said Christian nondenominational. I also asked what Bible she would be refering to? The NIV, I&#8217;m OK with that. My assailant was serious but pleasant and I senced she had to be deemed correct. I assured her that transliteration could lead to confusion and that the Jewish people are absolutly monothesistic and she assured they were wrong about their own writings. She spoke about Jesus second coming, the first as a child and his second I think she refered to in the book of Revelations. I said well that would be the third, What do you mean? I said he came as a child died a man right? yes she replied. Rose from the grave on the third day, oh well that doesnt count. To me it does he lived he died thats one he rose from the dead, spoke to some and ascended to heaven thats two and will come again to me thats three and you want to tell me the hebrews dont know their own language. In closing I thank you for creating this forum firstly your contribution but also reading the comments from others, acceptable to me or not. I have grown closer to Jesus. One can ( who wants to argue the definition of one here? )  but I must conclude from the mirror image of the wittnessing  all have described here that something deep lurkes and its not Holy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Do You Believe in Mother God? by mistatat</title>
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		<dc:creator>mistatat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 20:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i live in the uk.
these &#039;world mission society - church of god&#039; kids just called at my house.
i asked them in.
they did all the same stuff - same bible passages, same highlighter fetish.
my ones were kind of nervy, though.
there was a man and a woman.
the man had bad breath and some kind of really heavy nervous disorder. or he was in a permanent state of shock. he could hardly string a sentence together and none of his arguments were coherent.
the woman was speaking english as a foreign language (she was korean). she was more coherent but still very nervous.
they both smiled a lot.
but it was always that uneasy smile of the oppressed. of the grateful slave.

i wanted to lay down some facts for them and ruffle their feathers and open their minds but i knew that they were not going to take anything from their encounter with me. they had just come to deliver their presentation and to ask me to come to a bible study.

i feel sorry for them.
i don&#039;t know what has happened to each of them to lead them into the open jaws of this sinister religious movement.
my guess is that, in the case of the man, it was some pretty serious personal trauma that left him open to it and that, in the case of the woman, she had been brought up in that environment and had never thought to question it.

i was kind of glad when they left.
he had really bad breath.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i live in the uk.<br />
these &#8216;world mission society &#8211; church of god&#8217; kids just called at my house.<br />
i asked them in.<br />
they did all the same stuff &#8211; same bible passages, same highlighter fetish.<br />
my ones were kind of nervy, though.<br />
there was a man and a woman.<br />
the man had bad breath and some kind of really heavy nervous disorder. or he was in a permanent state of shock. he could hardly string a sentence together and none of his arguments were coherent.<br />
the woman was speaking english as a foreign language (she was korean). she was more coherent but still very nervous.<br />
they both smiled a lot.<br />
but it was always that uneasy smile of the oppressed. of the grateful slave.</p>
<p>i wanted to lay down some facts for them and ruffle their feathers and open their minds but i knew that they were not going to take anything from their encounter with me. they had just come to deliver their presentation and to ask me to come to a bible study.</p>
<p>i feel sorry for them.<br />
i don&#8217;t know what has happened to each of them to lead them into the open jaws of this sinister religious movement.<br />
my guess is that, in the case of the man, it was some pretty serious personal trauma that left him open to it and that, in the case of the woman, she had been brought up in that environment and had never thought to question it.</p>
<p>i was kind of glad when they left.<br />
he had really bad breath.</p>
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